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	<title>Comments on: Public outcry to keep public access to Laurie Park</title>
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		<title>By: Tyler Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bob Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with everything Stephen Kent has clearly stated above and he has expressed my views exactly!

I sincerely hope he has forwarded this message onto the appropriate decision makers listed above, especially Harold Carroll as my emailed views on this topic to John MacDonell were redirected to Harold Carroll (carrolhe@gov.ns.ca).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything Stephen Kent has clearly stated above and he has expressed my views exactly!</p>
<p>I sincerely hope he has forwarded this message onto the appropriate decision makers listed above, especially Harold Carroll as my emailed views on this topic to John MacDonell were redirected to Harold Carroll (carrolhe@gov.ns.ca).</p>
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		<title>By: stephen kent</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments of  Mr. Harold Carroll, Director of Parks, Dept. of Natural Resources to the press have been interesting and point up the mindset of governments to public land – it is a resource to be exploited.    
 
For example, in the Davene Jeffery article today he said the park is after all a &quot;camping park&quot;.   I expect that Col. Laurie, who donated this land to the province would be surprised to hear that.  I have read over his deed granting this land to the province and he provided it &quot;to develop the said lands as a Park for the use and benefit of the public&quot;.  The deed says the province accepted it on that basis and agreed to do just that. 

It has been used for both a camping and a daily visitor/picnic park and recreational multi uses since then.  
 
Just when and by what authority did it become exclusively a &quot;camping park&quot; ?  When did  Mr. Laurie&#039;s &quot;the public&quot; become only campers from outside HRM, the province or even the country ?  Nor does it say anywhere in the Laurie grant that this park was to become an instrument of economic stimulus or tourist development.  It is inconceivable that Mr. Laurie would have wanted massive diesel pusher motor homes accommodated here.
 
This park has been in use for fifty years.  Fifty years ago Grand Lake  was something of a wilderness and much more rural than suburban. It was probably a good place for an exclusively camping park.  That has changed with the growth and development of this area with suburban housing.  There probably was very little daily walking traffic in the park originally because the people were not here to use it and Nova Scotians were not as active, into walking and children&#039;s outings as they are today in suburban areas.  
 
The time when this piece of ground was appropriate for a caravan camping park has past.  From a planning point of view, the park is now too close to development.  Mr. Carroll’s department and that of Mr. Paris (Tourism and Rural Development) are properly concerned that there are not enough camping facilities in HRM and it is perhaps thought that such a facility here would bring some economic activity to HRM because it is close. 
 
But why should this department have the exclusive right to determine what this public asset should be used for ?  Generally, again on pure planning principals, a public recreational asset should be used to give the maximum use to the maximum number of people.  This is exactly what has happened up until now - both walker and camper have the use of it.  That is, to the extent that campers were interested in coming here (I gather that the campers do not use it anywhere near to capacity).  I can almost hear Mr. Carroll saying that indeed that is what he intends to cure by upgrading the facilities - greatly increase vehicular traffic into the park.  If not, why would one bother to put federal stimulus money into it at all ?
 
There can be no question that the overwhelming use of this park has been the year round daily visitors.  Making it exclusively for campers, by either legislating the pedestrains out or simply displacing them with the camping traffic, goes against this maximum use principle.  By the way, Mr. Carroll is to be commend for his forthright admission that the two uses in the upgraded park would simply be incompatible - I could not agree more.
 
I expect that the people feel that the government has a very blinkered view of this park&#039;s true value.  It sees it as an resource under it&#039;s purview which should be used to enhance the park system, bring it into the modern era and provide some economic stimulus.  It is the same old mindset – we have to be intrusive, spend money on it and changed it to make it something.  But it already is something - something so very special and the most used facility in the entire area exactly because it is undeveloped.  

Nobody has ever had a problem with sitting on a rock and enjoying nature in this park.  It is exactly this naturalistic use that people over whelming prize in this pristine setting - it has an almost spiritual value.  No doubt this is why the Sisters of Charity have their retreat next door. 
 
The park is not &quot;tired&quot; and it amazes me that the department’s vision of the thing is so simplistic and limited.  What makes a park is the trees, rocks and water.  No amount of lumber, pipes and concrete will improved it.
 
Will Nova Scotia&#039;s government be forever unsophisticated and behinds the times on issues like this ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments of  Mr. Harold Carroll, Director of Parks, Dept. of Natural Resources to the press have been interesting and point up the mindset of governments to public land – it is a resource to be exploited.    </p>
<p>For example, in the Davene Jeffery article today he said the park is after all a &#8220;camping park&#8221;.   I expect that Col. Laurie, who donated this land to the province would be surprised to hear that.  I have read over his deed granting this land to the province and he provided it &#8220;to develop the said lands as a Park for the use and benefit of the public&#8221;.  The deed says the province accepted it on that basis and agreed to do just that. </p>
<p>It has been used for both a camping and a daily visitor/picnic park and recreational multi uses since then.  </p>
<p>Just when and by what authority did it become exclusively a &#8220;camping park&#8221; ?  When did  Mr. Laurie&#8217;s &#8220;the public&#8221; become only campers from outside HRM, the province or even the country ?  Nor does it say anywhere in the Laurie grant that this park was to become an instrument of economic stimulus or tourist development.  It is inconceivable that Mr. Laurie would have wanted massive diesel pusher motor homes accommodated here.</p>
<p>This park has been in use for fifty years.  Fifty years ago Grand Lake  was something of a wilderness and much more rural than suburban. It was probably a good place for an exclusively camping park.  That has changed with the growth and development of this area with suburban housing.  There probably was very little daily walking traffic in the park originally because the people were not here to use it and Nova Scotians were not as active, into walking and children&#8217;s outings as they are today in suburban areas.  </p>
<p>The time when this piece of ground was appropriate for a caravan camping park has past.  From a planning point of view, the park is now too close to development.  Mr. Carroll’s department and that of Mr. Paris (Tourism and Rural Development) are properly concerned that there are not enough camping facilities in HRM and it is perhaps thought that such a facility here would bring some economic activity to HRM because it is close. </p>
<p>But why should this department have the exclusive right to determine what this public asset should be used for ?  Generally, again on pure planning principals, a public recreational asset should be used to give the maximum use to the maximum number of people.  This is exactly what has happened up until now &#8211; both walker and camper have the use of it.  That is, to the extent that campers were interested in coming here (I gather that the campers do not use it anywhere near to capacity).  I can almost hear Mr. Carroll saying that indeed that is what he intends to cure by upgrading the facilities &#8211; greatly increase vehicular traffic into the park.  If not, why would one bother to put federal stimulus money into it at all ?</p>
<p>There can be no question that the overwhelming use of this park has been the year round daily visitors.  Making it exclusively for campers, by either legislating the pedestrains out or simply displacing them with the camping traffic, goes against this maximum use principle.  By the way, Mr. Carroll is to be commend for his forthright admission that the two uses in the upgraded park would simply be incompatible &#8211; I could not agree more.</p>
<p>I expect that the people feel that the government has a very blinkered view of this park&#8217;s true value.  It sees it as an resource under it&#8217;s purview which should be used to enhance the park system, bring it into the modern era and provide some economic stimulus.  It is the same old mindset – we have to be intrusive, spend money on it and changed it to make it something.  But it already is something &#8211; something so very special and the most used facility in the entire area exactly because it is undeveloped.  </p>
<p>Nobody has ever had a problem with sitting on a rock and enjoying nature in this park.  It is exactly this naturalistic use that people over whelming prize in this pristine setting &#8211; it has an almost spiritual value.  No doubt this is why the Sisters of Charity have their retreat next door. </p>
<p>The park is not &#8220;tired&#8221; and it amazes me that the department’s vision of the thing is so simplistic and limited.  What makes a park is the trees, rocks and water.  No amount of lumber, pipes and concrete will improved it.</p>
<p>Will Nova Scotia&#8217;s government be forever unsophisticated and behinds the times on issues like this ?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NDP governmwent regarding the plans for Laurie Park should be aware that Barry does not support banning public access at Laurie Park ; however the decision is provincial in jurisdiction..

I would also point out that the action to put in place a set of bylaws at the LWF was supported and promoted from the beginning to provide accountability at the LWF. I WOULD POINT OUT ALSO THAT THOUSE OF YOU WHO ARE KNOCKING HIM CAN HELP BY ATTENDING THE ANNUAL MEETING AND SUPPORTING THOSE OF US WHO ARE TRYING TO CLEAN THINGS UP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NDP governmwent regarding the plans for Laurie Park should be aware that Barry does not support banning public access at Laurie Park ; however the decision is provincial in jurisdiction..</p>
<p>I would also point out that the action to put in place a set of bylaws at the LWF was supported and promoted from the beginning to provide accountability at the LWF. I WOULD POINT OUT ALSO THAT THOUSE OF YOU WHO ARE KNOCKING HIM CAN HELP BY ATTENDING THE ANNUAL MEETING AND SUPPORTING THOSE OF US WHO ARE TRYING TO CLEAN THINGS UP.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those of you who are suggesting that Councillor Dalrymple is responsible for the decision making of the Minister of Natural Resources John MacDonnel , Minister Percy Paris and the</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those of you who are suggesting that Councillor Dalrymple is responsible for the decision making of the Minister of Natural Resources John MacDonnel , Minister Percy Paris and the</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Faulkner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Faulkner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have been asked by the planners at the public session held Jan14 to provide our comments back to them by Jan 22. I encourage you to send your comments to those listed on the www.savelauriepark.ca website so that our elected officials know your feelings on the prososed development and what you want them to take into consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have been asked by the planners at the public session held Jan14 to provide our comments back to them by Jan 22. I encourage you to send your comments to those listed on the <a href="http://www.savelauriepark.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.savelauriepark.ca</a> website so that our elected officials know your feelings on the prososed development and what you want them to take into consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not going to jump to any conclusions. I am going to watch and wait and see what my elected politicians do before I go on the attack or issue any praise.  I am going to give each of them the chance to do what they think is right.  What they think is right will tell me a lot about them.  Are they workers who fight for what is right or would they rather only take on the easy challenges and the ones that get them a fast pat on the back?   Hopefully Mr. Paris listens to what the people in this community are saying about Laurie Park and he does not fool himself into thinking this is one that will be forgotten or swept under the rug come election time. Same goes for Mr. Dalrymple and  the LWF ratepayers mess.   Neither one of those situations are an easy fix and so I guess the time has arrived for both of the people I voted for to show me what they are really made of.   Will they dig in and do what is right for the majority of us in these communities or will they sit by and do nothing? Will they jump into these messes with both feet or will they pass the buck, bury their heads and leave us to suck it up?  Before the elections I heard both of these men telling how they would listen to their constituents and fight for what was best for these communities, I guess now&#039;s their chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not going to jump to any conclusions. I am going to watch and wait and see what my elected politicians do before I go on the attack or issue any praise.  I am going to give each of them the chance to do what they think is right.  What they think is right will tell me a lot about them.  Are they workers who fight for what is right or would they rather only take on the easy challenges and the ones that get them a fast pat on the back?   Hopefully Mr. Paris listens to what the people in this community are saying about Laurie Park and he does not fool himself into thinking this is one that will be forgotten or swept under the rug come election time. Same goes for Mr. Dalrymple and  the LWF ratepayers mess.   Neither one of those situations are an easy fix and so I guess the time has arrived for both of the people I voted for to show me what they are really made of.   Will they dig in and do what is right for the majority of us in these communities or will they sit by and do nothing? Will they jump into these messes with both feet or will they pass the buck, bury their heads and leave us to suck it up?  Before the elections I heard both of these men telling how they would listen to their constituents and fight for what was best for these communities, I guess now&#8217;s their chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Macaulay Family</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macaulay Family</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope that those in the position to make decisions or influence decision makers will make every effort to ensure continued public access to this beautiful park. In a time when we are trying to increase recreational facilities, this seems to be taking a step backward. Locals have used this park for as long as people have lived in this area and I would think the Laurie Family would want to see the public continue using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope that those in the position to make decisions or influence decision makers will make every effort to ensure continued public access to this beautiful park. In a time when we are trying to increase recreational facilities, this seems to be taking a step backward. Locals have used this park for as long as people have lived in this area and I would think the Laurie Family would want to see the public continue using it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Cleveland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Cleveland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie Park is a Provincial Park owned by the people of this province. All lands or parks in this Province owned by the people should be accessable by the residents. 

This park is well used by the local residents as well as campers. It&#039;s a wonderful place to get much needed exercise with families all year around. In summer you can  swim, kayak and canoe, picnic, and make frineds. It&#039;s a way of life in the area. The park provides a place where people can enjoy the great outdoors in a time when more exercise is badly needed and more sub-divisions are being built taking away accessable land and providing more people to use the park.

Preventing access to the park to local residents would be a big injustice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie Park is a Provincial Park owned by the people of this province. All lands or parks in this Province owned by the people should be accessable by the residents. </p>
<p>This park is well used by the local residents as well as campers. It&#8217;s a wonderful place to get much needed exercise with families all year around. In summer you can  swim, kayak and canoe, picnic, and make frineds. It&#8217;s a way of life in the area. The park provides a place where people can enjoy the great outdoors in a time when more exercise is badly needed and more sub-divisions are being built taking away accessable land and providing more people to use the park.</p>
<p>Preventing access to the park to local residents would be a big injustice.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcelle Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcelle Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have moved to Wellington approximately three years ago and found this pleasant park to take my dog for a walk.  As people are also encouraged to do some activity, I find myself in the park everyday getting my exercise in as well.  I also see runners and  kids on bikes there, so where do we go now.  Where else is there to go  to keep up  the activity and enjoy the scenery?.

In the time I have been going here I have never seen the camp full.  Fix the washrooms, add showers 
encourage the people to come before you go digging.  Once the park can be fill with campers, THEN expand the park.  I won&#039;t be able to see  the friends I made there, enjoy their dogs and meet other people. It is the best place to meet friendly people. 

I used to walk the highway while  cars going flying by, but I guess I have to resort back to this, meet my friends on the corners and HOPE we do not get hit.    WE WANT OUR PARK THE WAY IT IS.   Why can&#039;t our MLA stop still.  Isn&#039;t this one reason how to help the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have moved to Wellington approximately three years ago and found this pleasant park to take my dog for a walk.  As people are also encouraged to do some activity, I find myself in the park everyday getting my exercise in as well.  I also see runners and  kids on bikes there, so where do we go now.  Where else is there to go  to keep up  the activity and enjoy the scenery?.</p>
<p>In the time I have been going here I have never seen the camp full.  Fix the washrooms, add showers<br />
encourage the people to come before you go digging.  Once the park can be fill with campers, THEN expand the park.  I won&#8217;t be able to see  the friends I made there, enjoy their dogs and meet other people. It is the best place to meet friendly people. </p>
<p>I used to walk the highway while  cars going flying by, but I guess I have to resort back to this, meet my friends on the corners and HOPE we do not get hit.    WE WANT OUR PARK THE WAY IT IS.   Why can&#8217;t our MLA stop still.  Isn&#8217;t this one reason how to help the community.</p>
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